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Runyon
Single Reed
Bassoon Mouthpiece

Pictures at bottom of this page.

I once again have these in stock.
Please check my NEW WEBSITE.

You can get an idea of the size compared to my hand
But better yet, HERE you can see it compared to clarinet mouthpiece at top, an alto sax mouthpiece at bottom and a ruler.

The bottom four pictures show it with a standard Bb Clarinet reed mounted on it.

Here's an excerpt from SOTW:

http://forum.saxontheweb.net/archive/index.php/t-4584.html

Paul Coats
07-27-2003, 04:47 AM
Many years ago when Santy played in the Chicago Theatre, he doubled on all the woodwinds, one of which was bassoon. Sam Jordan, bassoonist at that time with the Chicago Symphony, dropped by Santy's studio and said, "Santy, I have admired your playing on the radio for some time now, but I just found out that it was also you playing the bassoon!"

Santy did not have time to fool around with bassoon reeds, and had devised a small bassoon mouthpiece that fit on the bassoon's bocal in place of the double reed. Sam Jordan took one to try and found that Santy's bassoon mouthpiece did not make the raucous low F (that has that odd overtone). So, he used it for recording some of the pieces he played with the Chicago Symphony's Woodwind Quintet.

After seeing one of Santy's bassoon mouthpieces Jack Linton was inspired to create a tiny silver oboe mouthpiece.

Runyon Products manufactured these bassoon mouthpieces for many years, and still does to this day. As an aside, I wish you guys had heard Santy do Yakety Sax on the bassoon! Hah!

Anyway, back to the story... about 5 years ago I had attended the Midwest Clinic with Santy, and was assisting him at his booth. I had a Runyon Products ID badge to get into the show with him. Going up to my room a lady in the elevator with me noticed the Runyon badge on my lapel and mentioned she was a bassoonist. She said that she was one of Sam Jordan's students and still used the Runyon bassoon mouthpiece on some numbers.

"Too bad they don't make those anymore," she commented, "I would love to have all my students get them."

"Well, the Runyon booth is right downstairs in the expo, and they have those mouthpieces," I told her. She came down later and bought ALL of them!

These mouthpieces use a standard clarinet reed. A 2 to 2 1/2 reed works best, and the extra edge from a Rico Plasticover seems to give the best bassoon tone.

Schreiber of Germany used to buy these and put them in with their student bassoons, and many universities have used them for their woodwind classes for music education majors. You know, those classes where you have to take a semester on each instrument.

Band directors... you need a bassoonist for your junior high or high school? It is easy to have a clarinetist or saxophonist double with this mouthpiece. In fact, I assisted a young flutist with this. Within 5 minutes she was making a VERY good bassoon tone. She needed help with assembling the instrument (HAH!!!), and with the fingerings, which are quite strange, but obtaining a good tone was no problem at all. Yes, within MINUTES. And a listener would never know, without seeing, that it was not a regular double reed.

No, it was not invented for using the bassoon in marching band. It was invented for doubling by a single reed player.
If the fit is not perfect on the bocal, wrap a piece of clear scotch tape around the end of the bocal to obtain a good fit. The Runyon bassoon mouthpiece is pushed onto the bocal all the way until it bottoms out. Tuning is still done where the bocal plugs into the body of the bassoon, just as when using a double reed. The teeth may be rested on top of the mouthpiece, as is done with saxophone and clarinet, or a bassoon style double-lip embouchure may be used.

For about the price of three commercially made bassoon reeds you can buy one of these mouthpieces, and have plenty of money left over for some clarinet reeds. They are absolutely amazing. Current retail price is $50.00 USD.

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super20dan
07-27-2003, 02:09 PM
if they made a oboe mpc i would have never have given up on oboe
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Paul Coats
07-27-2003, 03:36 PM
Linton did make an oboe mouthpiece, but you had to carve your own reed. Sort of defeats the purpose, huh?
The Runyon bassoon mouthpiece uses a standard Bb soprano clarinet reed. If you look at the working end of a bassoon double reed, you will see that it has about the same width as a clarinet reed.
Santy told me when he designed the bassoon mouthpiece, he had several good bassoonists make him some double reeds. He sealed the edges, and measured the volume of the interior of the reeds with water. He then averaged that and made his mouthpiece have the same volume.
An amazing product that is bad-mouthed by some teachers that have absolutely no experience with it due to their ignorance. Look at it for what it is... an aid to doublers, or to transition a single reed player to the bassoon.
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michaelbaird
08-22-2003, 07:00 AM
I'm going to buy one. I haven't been playing since my reed gave out. I make my own oboe reeds which took years to perfect and still is hit or miss.
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Paul Coats
08-24-2003, 02:02 AM
Santy suggested, and I have to agree, the Rico Plasticover clarinet reed seems to give the right "edge" to the tone to sound just like a double reed. He said, if the low register is weak, use a #2, if the high register is weak, use a #2 1/2.
If the mouthpiece fits a little loose on the bocal, make a wrap or two around the end of the bocal with some clear Scotch tape. The mouthpiece should go all the way on as far as it will go until it "bottoms out" on the bocal. Tuning is still done where the bocal plugs into the body of the bassoon, not at the mouthpiece.
I think, no, I KNOW you will be quite surprised.
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woodwindmaster06
08-26-2003, 02:25 AM
What size ligature does this use?
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samba dees
08-26-2003, 11:13 PM
The lig for mine is about the same diameter as a ring on your finger.
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woodwindmaster06
08-28-2003, 02:02 AM
does it still sound like a bassoon without a double reed
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Paul Coats
08-31-2003, 02:40 AM
It sounds EXACTLY like a bassoon with a double reed, except on that raunchy low F, which matches the other low notes.
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woodwindmaster06
10-24-2003, 02:51 AM
I just ordered one today!! What do you mean by "bottoms out"
Thanks Woodwindmaster06
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woodwindmaster06
10-30-2003, 11:25 PM
I just got mine yesterday, I played it on 2.5 Rico Plasticover, I loved everything and surprised how that it sounded like a double reed still!!! One thing will articulation was a bit hard, If I move down to a 2 Rico Plasticover will that be easier?? THANKS THESE ARE GREAT!!!!!!!!
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Mike Ruhl
10-31-2003, 12:46 AM
What do you mean by "bottoms out"
Thanks Woodwindmaster06I think he meant you push the mpc on as far as it will go.
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woodwindmaster06
10-31-2003, 12:56 AM
thanks, I figured it out once I got it really easily, one thing this mouthpiece is "Cute" it is a tiny mouthpiece that I LOVE wow runyon out did himself.
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Paul Coats
11-07-2003, 03:07 AM
You can play the bassoon mouthpiece with your teeth touching the top as on clarinet and sax, or you may use a double lip embouchure as on double reed. Yes, moving down to a #2 Plasticover will help.
Unless someone SAW the mouthpiece, I don't think anyone could tell a difference. Certainly not by sound alone. In a blind A/B test perhaps a difference could be heard, but as far as one sounding more or less bassoon-ish than the other, I doubt it.
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